Curse

Gadenp · Nov 20, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by sybban

On the other hand, if a monk is being the craphead and you are warrior just don't tank for him/her and see how they like it.

It works, they start crying when they realize how not-so-god-like they are.

It's the monks who should be cutting everyone else a break

It is a 2 way street. Warriors need to hold melee enemies at bay, and monk needs to heal he and protect him. Either one does not do job, all party goes to hell.

I feel that of all the classes. Warriors, then monk, then ranger, need the most "group play" strategy. One to tank, one to heal, one to lure and target. If groups don't do these 3 things, all goes to hell fast.

In the end of the day, it is who you quest/mission with. I have seen groups die because of crap monks but equally by crap warriors and most often by loser rushers. And until u play u don't know who is crappy. So sad...

Pevil Lihatuh · Nov 21, 2005, 12:09 AM // 00:09

oook so i made it to page 5 then got fed up with reading.

All people get bitched at. Its just monks get it more. Why?

"I'm a Warrior. I dont need to bring Healing/Res Sig. Thats the monks job!"
"I'm a Ranger. I just stick arrows in things. Heal me!"
"I'm an Ele. Ph33r my damage! Laugh at my armour!"
"I'm a Mes. Just try and cast! If you do, I'll die..."
"I'm a Necro. I can sacrifice my health! Who needs health!"

I've seen it said many times on this forum. "It's the monks job to heal. Why should I bring *self healing here*". Hmm...well... if your monk dies? Duh. It's like telling an Ele to bring only defense/slow down spells because "I'm a smiting monk, I don't need your damage". It's stupid.

My main char is a R/Me using mainly the Ranger skills. As such, she can do a bit of everything. I think thats one reason why I see how vital it is that people bring a bit of defense for themselves. Sure, warriors have best defense. But not the ONLY defense. Monks have best heal, but not the only heal. Mesmers have best interupts. But others have interupts. You get the picture.

I have a primary of each prof. My R is the only one to finish the game. My monk is at Aurora. The rest are around Ascalon (I spend a lot of time with my R still

) I've spent too much time in PUGS and refuse to PUG anymore. Monks will never heal enough for the average PUG. Rangers/Necros/Mesmers will never be good enough for the average PUG. Eles will never do enough damage, Warriors will never take enough damage.

One thing I would never do though is refuse to heal anyone (well ok I refuse to heal one person but thats coz he's my mate and doesn't get mad. In fact its almost a challenge; he'll go on about 'I dont need your healing

" so I dont give him it!) Thats childish and stupid. If a Warrior decided to stop tanking because someone was yelling at him for being an 'aggroing n00b' everyone would yell at him for being stupid. If a monk decides not to heal anyone, people don't say anything because 'we need the monk'. Sure you need him. But you need all the other classes too.

Once people in this game stop being such superior feeling morons and being insistant that they're the only important one in the group, then we'll get some amazing teamwork going and any group will work to beat the game. Whilst people are still of the mindset that 'without me we'll all be killed'... well I'm afraid you're doomed.

edit: on the AFK in towns thing... don't blind invite then. Whichever char I'm on with, I hate blind invites. My online friends laugh at me because I'm so fast to reject blind invites. It could be the Anet God himself with 10000 energy and 100000 dmg spells and I'd reject him for the sheer audacity in 0.2 seconds! If i wanna join a group, I'll whisper that group or say in local "LFG..." If I want people to join my group then I'll advertise that "Group doing... looking for x members". If someone hasn't said to you "I wanna join" or advertised they're looking, you can't possibly bitch at them for being AFK. If they've said "I wanna join" and then gone AFK, bitch away. Be my guest

Odd how Rangers are usually not wanted and yet I STILL get blind invites... hehe. And sometimes more than once from the same person!
*random person invites*
reject
*random person invites*
reject
You'd think they'd get the message...

lg5000 · Nov 21, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Monks work the hardest in teams and get the most shit for it, i find healing good fun for a while, but i'd like to go to UW as a Mesmer or air ele once or twice, just can never get the teams for it, people either think mesmers suck or are already full with warriors.

Also when healing i find i get less drops, people often tell me its BS, but i swear by it, i think monks should get more drops rather than less.

Ohh.. I know the feeling. Yes, I can get into UW with a monk, but.. I don't feel like it a lot of times. Gone off monking for the moment.

Mind you, to compensate, I started a team as mesmer to go UW.

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Originally Posted by Pevil Lihatuh

oook so i made it to page 5 then got fed up with reading.

All people get bitched at. Its just monks get it more. Why?

"I'm a Warrior. I dont need to bring Healing/Res Sig. Thats the monks job!"
"I'm a Ranger. I just stick arrows in things. Heal me!"
"I'm an Ele. Ph33r my damage! Laugh at my armour!"
"I'm a Mes. Just try and cast! If you do, I'll die..."
"I'm a Necro. I can sacrifice my health! Who needs health!"

I cannot believe the amount of people who don't bring res sigs with them, it amazes me.

As a warrior, I take healing sig on all occasions, just incase something goes wrong.

As a Ele.. well.. aura of (I forgot) gets used, unless I'm going up against mesmer monsters who strip enchants.

As a monk.. trying to keep everyone alife

As a Mes.. uhh.. no self heals unless I don't trust our monk or someone to res me when I forget I can't tank. However, if I'm going straight mes, which I seem to do a lot, I swap to secondary monk and bring resurect to be used during battle.

All up, I try to bring the skills that will help the team, not what satisfies my own ego.

BTW, if you're a monk.. kindly announce when your energy is back up full. I WILL rush into the next group, thinking everyone's got their energy back (this is as tank)

2_fingers · Nov 21, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by sybban

On the other hand, if a monk is being the craphead and you are warrior just don't tank for him/her and see how they like it.

It works, they start crying when they realize how not-so-god-like they are.

It's the monks who should be cutting everyone else a break

Most of the time they don't. So how different can actively trying not to tank and passively trying not to tank differ? We cut u guys a break? Man, sometimes i feel that i'm simply clicking 1, 2 ,3 and hitting a target is so much easier than healing. Healing isnt as easy as u think it is, and i suggest u try playing a monk before putting craphead statements.

Wessels · Nov 21, 2005, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I usualy don't even bother anymore with randon groups ( just play with people from my guild ) for the very reasons stated :

- people not waitng in between fights so energy can recharge ( even though one of my habits is to announce my energy level as frequently as possible ) .

- comments - after dying - like "Res me ,res me !!" or "why didn't you heal,you nOOb ?? " , forgetting there were 7 others in a party to take care of .

- unwanted invites ( by same people: over and over -even though you have already rejected the invite ) , if I want to be picked up by a PUG , I'll announce it .imagine it was you getting those , quite frankly, annoying invites all the time ?? Would you like it ??

-people being plain STUPID . The other day I had someone in a group at thunderhead keep with uninfused armor .You can imagine what happened when mursaat started to appear

No-one can fully undersatnd what it's like to be a monk in a party unless you have actually made one and played the game being a monk. I know of folks starting a monk and -after a while- giving up on it because of the abussive comments they get . I think that's really sad .

As for the comments made about the hench-monks .You are absolutely right : they are very good . But they don't grasp even most basic of strategies like humans do so you see them move into melee range quite frequently-or using restore life in middle of a melee battle !! Usually when I'm in a party I'd like to take along either a good "human " monk or one of the hench healers . In an 8 -man party it doesn't hurt to have 3 monks either ( 2 human ,1 hench ) as -inevitably - monks run out of energy too ,just like any other class .

My monk/necro rarely runs out of energy , but it can happen when I'm the only monk in a team and it's time people start realizing this ( of course : this is the reason for having 2nd monk , if that's the case a good monk will have sufficient energy ) .

But abuse of any class is uncalled for ( I'm not going about insulting any class, as I know you'll have bad players for each profession . It stand to reason there will be "bad " monks just like there's "bad " warriors,rangers,elems etc. )

AidanMontose · Nov 21, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Get the henchies.

1) They do a better job than some unknown [insert class].
2) They will never leave your group.
3) They never whine or bitch
4) They're smarter than most [people]
5) They don't have an attitude problem
6) They don't go afk
7) And so on...

Fixed.

Same could be said about any class. I'm amazed by the amount of people who have their heads in the clouds on missions/PvP or truly don't understand class rolls and game dynamics.

Uriel Swift · Nov 21, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Hi all!

I have been reading these forums for a long time and have been playing GW since the beginning, but I have not made a post in this forum as of yet.

But this thread hits me at home.

When I first started to play this game, I did not want to be the monk. I wanted to be doing dmg and kicking butt! However, since that was the mentality of most people and my guild needed some monks desperatly, I decided, what the heck, I'll make a monk.

And I'll tell you what; I LOVE BEING A MONK!!! I have been playing the monk for at least 4 months now, making two different PvE monks and i love being the guy behind the team.

Let's state some truths first.
1) Monks are vital, they are not OMG I NEED A MONK ON MY TEAM OR ILL NEVER WIN AT LIFEEEE vital, but they are vital to have a smooth and succesful team.
2) Henchies are good. Not great, but good. I use henchies with my PvE chars mostly cause finding good PUGs can be a pain sometimes. But the simple truth is that a good RL player is always better than the counterpart henchie. This goes for every class (Especially Durham, that guy is so kah-razy)

Here's my 2 cents. I guess monks can appear snobbish, hell, I've proly APPEARED snobbish, but it's because of the crap we sometimes have to put up with.

One example of many:
One mission (i think it was one of the jungle ones) a necro died on my watch (hey, it happens) and the guy would not stop saying how much I suck, can't play, newb, whatever. I did the mission anyway, but suffice to say I was fairly pissed and annoyed.

It's my theory that this leads to the snobbish feeling, and not the other way around. I'm not snobbish; I tell the players I play with what strategies to use to survive and win in a particular map, because I have played the map a lot of times already. And because I am a monk saying this, this makes me perceived as "snobbish".

But I don't think it's right to leave a mission because of one ass because if that were the case, no one would be in any group at all (j/k). This would be a case of real snobbiness.

The solution to this is simple (it was stated earlier). Be kind to all players. As a monk, I don't expect to be told "GREAT JOB, OMG YOU ROXORZ" but I reallly hate it when people yell at me, for honeslty most of the time, their mistakes. But if you feel like telling the monk your playing with that they did a GJ, do it; it's not necessary, but it's very nice to hear.

Merry Monking!

chippxero · Nov 21, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

I play as my monk mostly in areas like SF, FOW and UW as i'm always garenteed a space in a group. but some players i've played with in the past just didn't seem to understand how much energy can be used just to keep them alive, let alone the rest of the group.

Lately these groups have changed a lot i only seem to be getting people that know the areas and what to do which makes it a lot easier for me and more enjoyable as i get to look at fights rather than twitching to look at health bars every second.

It's quite common that if someone dies they normally say 'sry' to the rest of the group as they know that it was their fault for aggroing the wrong group or not waiting for regen, this has made me have some fantastic long games.

I play english european districts most of the time and i have met some bloody nice people.

Off-topic kinda: starting to get a lot of non-english speaking people come in to districts form a group with enough basic english and then when you get out in the zone they start talking in their native tounge, this totally sucks as theydon't really understand complex sentances and you just feel like a henchie to keep them alive.

2_fingers · Nov 21, 2005, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Wessels

- comments - after dying - like "Res me ,res me !!" or "why didn't you heal,you nOOb ?? " , forgetting there were 7 others in a party to take care of .

You know what's the interesting thing? If i go into a good pvp group as a monk and tell them that i do not carry any res, most of them wont even blink an eye.

Only in PvE monks are expected to carry a res. Which is ironical considering that that 8 sec we use rebirth, we are not healing someone and we lose energy. If we use restore life, we go next to the person, into that aggro circle we like to avoid to res him. If we use resurrect, he comes up, in 2 sec dies because of random hits.

coolsti · Nov 21, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by 2_fingers

You know what's the interesting thing? If i go into a good pvp group as a monk and tell them that i do not carry any res, most of them wont even blink an eye.

Only in PvE monks are expected to carry a res. Which is ironical considering that that 8 sec we use rebirth, we are not healing someone and we lose energy. If we use restore life, we go next to the person, into that aggro circle we like to avoid to res him. If we use resurrect, he comes up, in 2 sec dies because of random hits.

Yes, but it all depends on what the monk is expected to use the res spell for during a quest or a mission.

I am playing a monk now (as my 4th character) and I take rebirth. And I try to never use it during an actual battle. It takes too much time, and it costs me all my energy so I can't heal anymore immediately afterwards. The point of me taking rebirth is NOT to res a party member during a battle.

Instead, I try to position myself near an escape route in case things go terribly badly. If it is obvious that we cannot win a battle and all will die, I try to signal to the group left alive to retreat. I myself as monk run away as best I can. Why? Because when the enemy has fallen back, I can then rebirth the entire group (that is why I take rebirth instead of res) and then we can continue. The alternative is that the entire party dies and we need to restart the mission.

Regarding the OP's post topic: As monk I have not had too many bad experiences with groups. Once in the while I have met one or two that insisted that the monks in the party were not doing a good enough job, but then I quickly reminded them that any more talk like that will mean an immediate stop of all healing and ressing to them. Anecdote: two nights ago I was monk in a group in FOW with another monk and 3W and 3E. At one point one of the warriors died while performing the "holy book trick" - we simply ran out of energy to keep him alive - and he made the comment, perhaps in frustration, that the healers were not good enough. I just started to message things like "I did not hear that. You did not say that. I do NOT want to hear something like that again". We monks then got immediate support from the other two warriors who realized we were both doing a good job as healers. But for the most part I have found the PUG groups I have been in quite ok, telling me that I have been doing a good job as healer. So there are some good and friendly players out there!

RTSFirebat · Nov 21, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Dahl

Scenario: I was doing a mission as a monk with 2 Warriors and a Range and myself. The Ranger decides she wants to stop and snipe the monsters off a cliff even though it'd be a lot faster and less annoying to run down the cliff and kill them using EVERYONE! The 2 warriors take off down the cliff, so my natural reaction would be to follow them, rather than stand ontop of a cliff with the slow ranger. Well, she split up from the party and goes her own way, gets herself killed, then spams me saying im a "sh**ty as* monk who doesn't know first thing about the game and any good monk would naturally know what to do" (obviously I'll go with the 2 warrs and not the dumb ranger)

Don't stay "Dumb Ranger" that is massive flame bite and also you trying to say all Rangers are bad, you just encountered a bad player, maybe it would have been a better idea to let that Ranger kill the mobs and ask the warriors to wait.

This is also the reason why ALL players should carry a bow regardless of their classes.

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A lesson to all you non-monks, you need me, whether you like it or not. No matter your class, no matter your secondary class, you NEED me, I am your whole teams very life essence. They only began to realise near the end that they were only alive on account of my enchantments... gee "I was wondering why I blocked half of their attacks, had 7 regeneration and when they finally did land a hit they did 2 damage, I thought that was normal." Idiots.

No I don't need you... in fact I don't often need monks to take care of myself. Throw dirt and Whiring defence and troll urgent does me fine. In GvG often I heal myself while the monks tend to other players.

So please don't make statements like that, no one has to beg you monks for anything.

/endrant

Unik · Nov 21, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Well I’m going to go for an angle that most in this thread haven’t gone with.

In some way I’m quite glad that people act the way they do towards Monks, I’ve played pretty much all the classes to the end of the game and yes monks get a different treatment from players in general.

First the blind invites and the *Hey you f___ing monk join my group attitude. Personally I love it, this is the best screening method you can have as a monk, and really it’s simple and has a 100% guaranteed success rate.

Never accept those as they are usually a direct ticket back to the outpost you are standing in, these groups have a tendency to turn into pugs from hell at the speed of light. I would suggest not bitching about it and using that free and pretty accurate filter.

Once in a group, well I disagree with people that say no mater what you have to heal and resurrect. Sorry don’t buy that, if you have some people that are disrespectful to you or anyone in the group or by their action are jeopardising the mission’s success for the entire group.

Flaming: I’ll ask politely once to stop it and add that I don’t run with groups who flame each other, if the teams backs me up that usually equals a flamer that will shut up for the rest of the mission.

Bad player (Power n00b): Will explain and ask that they don’t run out of range or that an Ele isn’t really suppose to tank, that my mana isn’t coming from some divine intervention and that it needs to regenerate like anyone else’s. When the situation continues and again jeopardises the team, I simply stop healing them. Yes they go down and bitch, but you have to understand that either I’ll spend all my energy on a tanking Ele or do my job for the rest of the team.

Oh yea for this to work well, you also need to make it clear after they go down the first time and start bitching *Hey Monk…rez…rez…rez*, I simply mention that the rezing will happen only after the fight is over. Yes they will usually bitch some more, but I assure you that most next time around will change their fighting style in order to stay alive.

Great tools!...

Unik

Clockwork · Nov 21, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

My worst experience as a monk was when I had to go through thunderhead. For some reason I was the only monk, and I probably should have realised that I wasn't dealing with your average group. Halfway through I noticed I was in PUG hell, but a few of the guys seemed nice, so I didn't leave. When it came to the final showdown (and none of them had died thus far..don't ask me how.) the team overextended on one side, I had to burn most of my energy when the King's health started going down. Everyone began screaming at me, and as soon as he died I was a 'noob monk i cud hav done that on my w/r lmao noob'. When we returned to the start I got kicked. I picked up henchies and finished it in 2/3 the time

saphir · Nov 22, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

the life of a monk can be a unappreciated one...

i played 4 different classes extensively: e/r, mo/w/, n/mo, r/mo. although i've never played war, i used to solo tank for pugs in both uw and fow w/ my mo/w when prot bond was still feasbile. i used to run 90 min forgemaster runs hehe, so i have an idea of what tanking/aggroing involves from the tank perspective.

i do the best i can in every group i join, doing what i perceive my job to be, whether it's nuking, healing, protecting, sacrificing, minioning, trapping or interrupting.

however, there's one key difference i've noticed, regardless of whether playing my monk or not. in groups w/ jerks, even small jerks, no one is going to start cursing out the nukers because they might have very poor energy management and suffer from total exhaustion, thus unable to inflict any significant damage while the war must continuously tank as monks keep him alive. most players won't start railing on the ele for not bringing maelstrom (something i used to always carry on my ele pre-aoe patch) for a monk boss they can't kill.

i run a minion master, with 20-30 lvl 18/19 horrors/fiends in the heat of a fierce battle. yet, i've seen bad minions necros (they say they're minion) who can barely keep 4-5 undead up at a time, they're lvl 14 so hardly last long enough to inflict dmg. but i've never seen a war, monk or any other class curse out that necro, call him a "f'ing noob" or heap insult after insult upon him.

sometimes, in places like UW, rangers are more useful setting traps or blinding than standing in front of an aaxte at pt blank ranger, putting darts in the poor mob's left paw. i've seen it happen countless times, the only ones to say anything are generally the monks (the eles, necro and mes are just glad the ranger is the one getting killed, and not themselves!). and while i've seen a few monks go ballistic, the vast majority of monks try to guide the errant player in the right direction in terms of tactics (basically stay back).

wars on the other hand get a bit more abuse as it's generally more obvious when they've made a mistake. but some of them just seem completely blind to their radar, completely unaware of what's going on around them. although i must admit i've done that before when i used to tank in uw/fow, i was so busy trying to stay alive and hold aggro that it's hard to know what's going on w/ the rest of the party if no one says anything or pings for help.
but i won't go into the countless times on SF runs in which the war sits there hacking away at a boss character or gnasher way out where, while several carvers scurry around in glee, carving up your monks faster than your thanksgiving turkey. i just run around on my minion necro trying to heal them best i can w/ heal area, ping for the war to defend our monks, watch the monk heals get continuously interrupted, as my minons and the eles get ground into undead chutney. 9 times out of 10, in these cases the monks get the blame for their own deaths, insufficient heals and the war ditches.

the thing is though, no matter how bad any of these players were, they were probably all doing their best and trying their best at the game. they weren't there to intentionally screw anyone over.

so it's no surprise that monks like me get immensely pissed when they are on the receiving end of all manner of profanities, derogatory insults and blame. i am probably most busy when playing my monk character, generally giving my fingers quite a work out pressing keys and clicking on the party window. a very close second is my minion necro, constantly raising the dead, and sacrificing to keep them up as long as possible. and i used to think i was busy as an ele, having to hit "c"/"t" and casting a spell every 4-5 sec then wait for energy between major offensives!

and at the end of a bad battle against overwhelming odds, when you're at 0 of 60 energy but managed lose aggro and barely alive at 20hp, nearly everyone lies dead around you and you're massaging away that carpal tunnel... and then the abuse begins from the ungrateful dead...

i do my job. i enjoy the challenge of monking in uw. i don't expect stunning accolades. i don't even need to feel appreciated. i know i'm a good monk and i know everyone generally tries their best on a team. but what i don't need is crap that sometimes oozes out a corpse when i'm trying to relax

SlayerD · Nov 22, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Another tips for warrior from friendly monk PLZ Do NOT considering using healing sig at low health -40 armour certainly going to get you kill trust us to do the job and to all other plz dont tell us to rez you when you surround by enermy cance are u going to get kill again and with more DP on your tow.

Charcoal Ann · Nov 22, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01

Once my fellow monks stop being self absorbed, arrogant A-holes maybe then we will deserve a break.
now i'm not sure that the problem runs so deep as some of you may suggest. maybe 2-5% of the people i have met in GW have got up my nose. no more.
i have NEVER been the target of monk-hate as my commonly used healer. i have seen it happen to others in maybe 2-5% of GROUPS. i don't see the problem really. maybe it is the time i'm online.

monk hate and all the numerous 'hates' i have seen complained of on these forums are, i believe, a product of the hatee's actions and/or attitude.
monks that wander around with the 'i'm a healer, use me or lose me' attitude, i think, have it coming to them.
when a ranger joins a group they will ask the question 'what skills do you guys want?'
when a mesmer joins a group they ask if they are to be anti-caster or anti-melee.
when a necromancer joins a group they ask if the group would prefer death, curses or blood.
when a monk joins a group they say 'i'm a healer' oh? so what if we already HAVE a healer? could you please change to prot?
no.
[leaves group after uttering something about noobs and how crap protters are]
warriors don't really have this problem, though i HAVE met a few warriors who ask if they are to be hammer, sword or axe. and a rare few groups that ask if you are hammer, sword or axe.
Eles are almost the same but basically in PvE it is fire all the way. if you are on the last missions then they expect a RANGER o cover their ass. 'bring winter!!'

almost NO monks will offer to change their skillset. what makes monks better than everyone else? nothing.

i never accept spam invites. infact i usually put a signature into my LFG lines. (LF useless no hopers) and ask if the group fulfills this. if not then bye bye.

when inviting a monk sending a polite 'we could use your services' kind of message works well.

remember that, dare i say this, all monks have alts. as those alts are they arrogant? is it something inside of people that only manifests in monks? are we simply ignoring the other arrogant players of other classes? or are we more sensitive to arrogant monks. after all who cares if the ranger buggers off? they suck anyway right? right?

could it, this monk hate, be a subconscious reaction to monks?

sometimes i wonder...

Sister Rosette · Nov 22, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

It's a pain in the ass when anyone in the group leaves, that's what people
seem to forget. It's just more noticable when we leave/drop because we have
a utilitarian use to other players.

Teufel Eldritch · Nov 22, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

No offense meant Charcol Ann but if you haven't/don't see the crap Monks get then you are...

1) unobservant or blind
2) don't play Monk/GW very much
3) or are lying.

Please do not get angry with me. I am not flaming you in anyway, but if you don't see the crap Monks go thru with other players... well something is amiss. I agree many, many, many Monks have a holier-than-thou(Is that a pun? lol ) attitude but Monks get so much crap I find it very hard to believe you play often or pay attention if you do. It's something that is plain as day...plain as the nose on one's face. I do not know how one could NOT see it. Anytime something goes wrong in a (PvE)group the Monk ALWAYS gets the blame.

I still to this day(no longer playing Monk, but I used to) see ppl giving Monks insane amounts of crap...I still to this day see ppl blaming Monks for things that are thier own fault.

twicefeuled · Nov 22, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

I got so fed up with monk abuse that my monk comes out of retirement mostly at the request of fellow guild members. During those rare PUGs, I'm the party leader or I don't PUG my monk.

jibikao · Nov 22, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

You can do most of missions with henchies monk/protector. I don't know why people insist on having "human" monks. Most of the human monks are not that good anyway.

The only classes that insist on having so many monks are either Warriors/Nukers and quite frankly, they don't know much about the game.